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Старый 24.12.2014, 10:32
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Скрытый текст - Ниссику не умеет читать собственные ссылки, топорами рубили дрова, "копье" было посохом "ритуалистки", а княгиня Ольга не была воином.:
Цитата:
Что до вашего заявления про мечи, то это ничто иное как банальный дилетантизм. Вы просто не понимаете, о чём говорите.
Да нет, это ничто иное, как банальное пересказывание содержание статьи по любезно предоставленной ссылке.
Вот по этой ссылке, кстати говоря.
Скрытый текст - Топоры.:
Axes . In general axes occur very rarely in Viking Age female graves and they are definitely more common in the graves of men. However, in case of the female weapon-graves discussed above it was the axes that were the most common finds. In the previous sections of this paper I have frequently referred to axes as ‘weapons’, but we may wonder whether in case of the female graves in which they had been found the axes were regarded as purely military equipment or as household tools (for cutting joints of meat for example or making wooden objects) or whether they served both functions? The answer to this question is difficult to provide just on the basis of the published materials. Perhaps some further clues could be gained through a comprehensive metallographic analysis of the axes themselves – observing for example any traces of use on their surface? If there are any signs that they were hit against other metal objects, then perhaps this could strengthen the hypothesis that they were employed as weapons. Of course the problem that would still remain to be an-swered is who used them in battle – the women themselves, or some other (male?) individual(s) who deposited these objects in the graves.There is also a possibility that the axes were deposited in female graves during the funeral to signal something important and we may speculate whether some connection between these objects and the god þórr (and specifically his hammer Mjöllnir ) could be made. This no-tion, however, would require further studies, way beyond the scope of this article (on axe symbolism see, for example, Paulsen 1939; 1956; Kucypera et al. 2011, 41–50; against associating axes with the god þórr see Jensen 2010, 43).It is interesting to observe that in the Norwegian female graves the axes often belonged to the same type – Petersen’s type H. This may be a pure coincidence, as this was a relatively common axe type in the Vi-king Age, but perhaps it was attributed some special meanings in a fu-nerary context. In the majority of cases nothing particularly unusual has been observed as regards the axes from the female graves. How-ever, it is worth noting that the axe found in grave 59:3 in Klinta was apparently very old already when deposited in the grave. It was prob-ably made in the Vendel period or around 800 AD and as Price (2002, 148) speculated it may have been a family heirloom. Interestingly this axe was placed inside the pit with the edge pointing down, as if it had
‘Warrior-women’ in Viking Age Scandinavia? A preliminary archaeological study | 299been thrust into it (an interesting parallel to the notion of thrusting spears and swords already mentioned above). Finally, it is worth men-tioning an interpretation put forward by the excavators of grave BB from Bogøvej, who argued that the axe deposited there may have been associated not with the woman, but that it represented a ‘symbolic cre-mation’ of a man (Grøn et al. 1994, 120–121, 136). This interpretation is indeed interesting, but no cremated bone was found in the grave.

Скрытый текст - Копья:

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Spears. In my survey the only evident example of a spear which may be associated directly with a female individual comes from the Gerdrup grave. As mentioned above, the spear lay at the foot-end of the grave-pit and its tip was directed towards the south, very close to the wom-an’s feet. Another grave discussed herewith, where a spear-like object was discovered, is A505 from Trekroner-Grydehøj. The find from this grave, however, only looks like a spearhead, but due to the material from which it was made (bronze with an iron tip attached) it probably could not be effectively used in battle. I have argued in my previous works that these two ‘spears’ (i.e. from Gerdrup and Trekroner-Gryde-høj) could be interpreted in the context of Old Norse magic (known as seiðr ) and perhaps seen not necessarily as ‘practical’ weapons, but as special kinds of magic staffs – representing status, authority and power of the deceased individuals. A lot of features of the graves from Gerdrup and A505 from Trekroner-Grydehøj suggest that the women were regarded as ritual specialists.


Итак, автор любезно указывает нам, что Ниссику не прав, а копье-то вообще было посохом колдуньи-ведуньи, а не оружием.
Все притензии, повторяюсь, не ко мне - пишите вот этому парню: Leszek Gardeła is Assistant Professor at the Institute of Archaeology of the Rzeszów University in Poland and Honorary Research Fellow at Snorrastofa – Medieval and Cultural Centre in Reykholt, Iceland. Заодно обсудите с ним его авторитетность. Да, и это, кто не знал - сомнения традиционно толкуются в пользу обвиняемых, засим мы остаемся с той же самой картинкой - бородатые викинги в рогатых шлемах бороздят моря и океаны, тетки сидят дома и рубят дрова.

П.С.
Да, и тут я глянул еще одну ссылку от Ниссику.
Цитата:
Female Viking warriors in history
бла-бла-бла
Olga, widow of Igor of Russia, raised an army which attacked Drevelian strongholds and ended the revolt in which her husband died, in 945AD.
- Russia
Вот только Ольга не участвовала в битвах. Но это знаем мы. А наивные англочитатели читают и верят, что она носилась по полю боя с мечем/топором и лезла на стены.
Но для нас там тоже есть заманушка.
"Queen Aethelburgh destroyed Taunton."
- The Anglo Saxon Chronicles
Несомненно, она была воином.
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В медиа растиражирован образ викинга с мечём
Вот тут еще один перл от Ниссику. В медиа как раз растиражирован образ бородатого викинга с топором и в рогатом (непременно) шлеме.

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например PW WoW Aion AA Tera, на горизонте еще BDO
А в чем именно нацеленность на женщин? В том, что в ПВ их можно таскать на руках? Или речь о последнем оказуаливании ВоВки?=))

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А ещё вы, Shkloboo, - сексист.
Шта?!

Последний раз редактировалось Shkloboo; 24.12.2014 в 11:53.
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