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Старый 20.09.2018, 16:27
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А где там патриархат и опускание женщин?
Всюду.
Поэтому современные комментаторы/ши прям считают своим долгом оттоптаться на авторах.

Герлскауты ("и после этого они так взяли и попрыгали к вам в постель?"), жена банкира (которая храбрая и стреляет лучше многих но... охотится за мужиками для того, чтобы упрочить своё положение, "я всегда была сучкой которая..." и т.п.), Кэси, девушка астронома-любителя, дочь сенатора и т.д. и т.п.

Потому что с современной точки зрения если мужские персонажи массово "низводят" женщин до роли сексуального объекта и - сюрприз! - им это сходит с рук, то это значит, что автор шовинист, женоненавистник и т.д.
Ах, и да - расисты, расисты кругом, ведь негры то в злодеях.
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Although the disaster wasn't particularly dated, being geologic in nature, there were some pretty weird things going on in this novel including a lot of crowing about the instant death of the Feminist Movement and some male-fantasy versions of the breakdown of family. In short, women get to be a commodity for tending the ill, feeding the hungry and providing a moist vagina. Having been a young woman in 1977, I'd say this story said more about Larry Niven than it did about 1977.
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Well, for starters, there is Niven and Pournelle's usual problem with women. It was even worse in The Mote in God's Eye, and I was (pleasantly) surprised that there was not a lot of gratuitous rape to spice up the fall of civilization, but the female characters all pretty much go into instant "Attach myself to the nearest alpha-male" mode, and one of the characters is even referred to (ironically, and with awareness of her role, which she does not particularly like) as the "Princess" because her Senator father is the current leader of the survivors, and whoever marries her will ensure the stability and succession of the dynasty. So there was a little bit of awareness there, and yeah, it was written in 1977, but still, one gets the distinct impression that when the Senator's aide reflects smugly to himself that one of the few good things about Hammerfall was that it put an end to "Women's lib," he's kind of speaking for the authors.

Oh, then there's the part about that cannibal army forming around a group of Black Nationalists who were going on a crime spree when the Hammer fell. The New Brotherhood Army eventually becomes a multi-racial, ostensibly egalitarian organization ("egalitarian" in the sense that anyone regardless of race who steps out of line gets killed and eaten), but the leaders are the Black Nationalists and a black former Army sergeant. Until a white preacher comes and gives them a cause - namely, fighting technology. So, let's recap: when the Hammer falls and ends civilization, white farmers, politicians, and engineers start rebuilding a stable community, while black people turn into rampaging cannibals taking orders from a white guy. Umm, did nobody see any Unfortunate Implications in this even in 1977? I suppose Niven and Pournelle's defense would be that not all of the New Brotherhood Army is black, and there is a black astronaut who's one of the good guys, and a few black farmers in the Stronghold are mentioned. Well, okay then.

There's also an awful lot of "neener-neener, how do you granola-crunching hippies like your 'natural living' now?" as the survivors of a former commune realize that gosh, they really did like having electricity and plumbing. Niven and Pournelle do this a lot, as in Fallen Angels, where they spend the entire book poking at environmentalists and anti-space and anti-nuclear activists. In Lucifer's Hammer, the only surviving nuclear power plant becomes potentially the salvation of civilization.

So, basically:

White people, nuclear power, and the space program = good.
Black people, religion, and women's lib: Bad.

I am being a little snarky here. The authors weren't quite as horribly axe-grinding as, say, certain authors of political thrillers or grimdark fantasy. But still, this is a book that you will enjoy if you like the premise and don't pay much attention to subtext, but will probably annoy you if you do notice things like all the black people become cannibals!
Хотя насчет всех черных ставших каннибалами - прямое враньё. Один из астронавтов негр, он не станет каннибалом. Также там вскользь представят чернокожих фермеров, которые будут среди хороших парней (т.е. не каннибалов).
Ну и не все женщины принялись "аттачиться" к альфам, Тима Хамнера едва ли можно назвать альфой в постапоке, но его подружка не бросила пацана не смотря на возможность очутится в убежище с альфой=)

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